ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question

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Stoomlocomotief
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ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« on: Saturday 25 August, 2018, 07:06:10 »
Hello. Sorry I can't speak Dutch.

I have a question about this add-on here, the ICR wagons: https://www.treinpunt.nl/forum/downloads/?sa=details;lid=7558

I wanted to know the difference between the different cars. I already know A is first class and B is second class. But, for example, what is the difference between ICRm B, ICRm B brlnd, ICRm BD brlnd, and ICRm Bf brlnd? Or what is the difference between ICRm BDs brlnd and ICRm BDsf brlnd?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 August, 2018, 13:56:48 »
mabye this can help you a bit. I am not so familiar with the new code. my excuse if something is not right

ICR = Intercity coach
ICRm = Intercity coach modernized
ICRmh = Intercity coach modernized highspeed

Classic and first renovation to ICRm:
A = 1st class
AB = 1st & 2nd class (no longer in use)
B = 2nd class
BD = 2nd class with baggage department
BDs = 2nd class with baggage department + cycling department & cabcar  (was only in use with de NS 1700)
Bf = 2nd class with cycling department
BKD = 2nd class with kitchen & baggage department
Bs = 2nd class with cabcar  (was only in use with the NMBS HLE11)

bnl = benelux

new:
b = carriage for the transport of disabled people
bd = cabcar
f = carriage for the transport of bicycles
e = end car
m =  carriage longer than 24.5m
p =  seat carriage with middle pad
z =  car with central energy supply (static converter)

example:
Apmz  = 1st class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply.
Bpmz  = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply.
Bpmdz = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply & transport of disabled people.
Bpmez = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply and placed at the end of the train.
Bpmbdzf = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply and cabcar

Edit: thx TheLaRiche for the update.
« Last Edit: Sunday 26 August, 2018, 01:26:34 by Rubku_NL »
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 August, 2018, 17:35:01 »
Bs is al lang naar de schroothoop Rob.  ;)

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Stoomlocomotief
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 August, 2018, 23:19:23 »
mabye this can help you a bit. I am not so familiar with the new code. my excuse if something is not right

ICR = Intercity coach
ICRm = Intercity coach modernized
ICRmh = Intercity coach modernized highspeed

Classic:
A = 1st class
AB = 1st & 2nd class (no longer in use*)
B = 2nd class
BD = 2nd class with baggage department
BDs = 2nd class with baggage department & cabcar  (steering position no longer in use with BR 186*)
BDsf = 2nd class with baggage department + cycling department & cabcar  (was only in use with de NS 1700*)
Bf = 2nd class with cycling department
BKD = 2nd class with kitchen & baggage department
Bs = 2nd class with cabcar  (was only in use with de NS 1700*

bnl = benelux

new:
b = carriage for the transport of disabled people
bd = cabcar
f = carriage for the transport of bicycles
e = end car
m =  carriage longer than 24.5m
p =  seat carriage with middle pad
z =  car with central energy supply (static converter)

example:
Apmz  = 1st class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply.
Bpmz  = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply.
Bpmdz = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply & transport of disabled people.
Bpmez = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply and placed at the end of the train.
Bpmbdzf = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply and cabcar

* this is in reallife

Thank you so much for this! The only thing is the "brlnd" tag. What does that mean?

Also, what is a typical 10-car formation for this?
« Last Edit: Saturday 25 August, 2018, 23:22:11 by jpnmtrmn93 »

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Hogesnelheidstrein
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 August, 2018, 00:48:52 »
Changed it a little bit Rob  ;)

ICR = Intercity coach
ICRm = Intercity coach modernized
ICRmh = Intercity coach modernized highspeed

Classic and first renovation to ICRm:
A = 1st class
AB = 1st & 2nd class (no longer in use*)
B = 2nd class
BD = 2nd class with baggage department
BDs = 2nd class with baggage department + cycling department & cabcar  (was only in use with the NS 1700)
Bf = 2nd class with cycling department
BKD = 2nd class with kitchen & baggage department
Bs = 2nd class with cabcar  (was only in use with the NMBS HLE11)

bnl = benelux

new:
b = carriage for the transport of disabled people
bd = cabcar
f = carriage for the transport of bicycles
e = end car
m =  carriage longer than 24.5m
p =  seat carriage with middle pad
z =  car with central energy supply (static converter)

example:
Apmz  = 1st class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply.
Bpmz  = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply.
Bpmdz = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply & transport of disabled people.
Bpmez = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply and placed at the end of the train.
Bpmbdzf = 2nd class carriage longer than 24.5 meters, seating arrangement with middle aisle, provided with central energy supply and cabcar

* this is in reallife
« Last Edit: Sunday 26 August, 2018, 18:45:13 by TheLaRiche »

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Stoomlocomotief
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 August, 2018, 05:21:48 »
Thank you. So, how should I set up a 10-car consist with the 1800 locomotive? And also, what does the "brlnd" tag mean?

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Hondekop
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 August, 2018, 09:07:51 »
The brlnd tag means the carriage is suitable for use in neighboring lands from The Netherlands, like Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany.

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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 August, 2018, 09:47:38 »
Well modern 9-car consists are generally made up of two sets of B + A + B carriages, so two second classes with a first class in between. Followed by two second class carriages B(f) and a cabcar type BDs.

In sandwich mode between two BR 186 locomotives you would get this:
BR 186 + BDs + B + A + B + B(f) + B + A + B + B + BR 186

This website shows some of these consists: https://www.somda.nl/matsms/t7/

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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 August, 2018, 22:57:56 »
The brlnd tag means the carriage is suitable for use in neighboring lands from The Netherlands, like Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany.

This is exactly what it means, the extension brlnd to the carriage means buurland wich translated would be neighbor country.
Sorry for not making a different translations in the readme PDF.
« Last Edit: Monday 27 August, 2018, 23:00:23 by Marc D. »

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Stoomlocomotief
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 September, 2018, 04:41:09 »
The brlnd tag means the carriage is suitable for use in neighboring lands from The Netherlands, like Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany.

Got it. Thanks.

Well modern 9-car consists are generally made up of two sets of B + A + B carriages, so two second classes with a first class in between. Followed by two second class carriages B(f) and a cabcar type BDs.

In sandwich mode between two BR 186 locomotives you would get this:
BR 186 + BDs + B + A + B + B(f) + B + A + B + B + BR 186

This website shows some of these consists: https://www.somda.nl/matsms/t7/


So, I guess these cars are not used with the 1800 locomotive anymore? I did read that the driving trailer is not used with the Traxx locomotive because the cost of making it compatible was too high.

The brlnd tag means the carriage is suitable for use in neighboring lands from The Netherlands, like Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany.

This is exactly what it means, the extension brlnd to the carriage means buurland wich translated would be neighbor country.
Sorry for not making a different translations in the readme PDF.

Not a problem. Thank you.

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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 02 September, 2018, 21:32:05 »
So, I guess these cars are not used with the 1800 locomotive anymore? I did read that the driving trailer is not used with the Traxx locomotive because the cost of making it compatible was too high.
That's correct, the ICRm carriages have not been operated with 1800 for quite some time, as the cab cars could never communicate with them, but were designed for the similar, but not exactly the same 1700 series. (By the way, the NS has no active locomotives of the 1800 series anymore, all are sold to commercial operators of cargo trains or out of service.)

Operation with the 1700's has been cancelled in the end of 2015 because all these carriages were needed on the HSL. The 1700 series can only run on the conventional Dutch railways with 1500 volts of direct current, while the HSL is electrified with 25 kilovolts of alternating current ;), hence the carriages only run with the 186 loco's that can run on both the conventional railways as the HSL.
« Last Edit: Monday 10 September, 2018, 09:27:37 by rjz222 »
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Stoomlocomotief
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 09 September, 2018, 23:08:19 »
Makes sense. So, before they started operating on the HSL, where would you normally see them, as in what routes?

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Hogesnelheidstrein
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #12 on: Monday 10 September, 2018, 00:07:04 »
Zwolle - Roosendaal (available in TS as "De IJssellijn)
The Hague - Venlo/Heerlen
Eindhoven - Amsterdam (with cab car of DD-AR)


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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 September, 2018, 02:55:46 »
this is what I can remember:

In the "00 until now
  • Zwolle - Roosendaal
    until 2014, since 2004 with 1700+cab car
  • The Hague - Arnhem
    between 2007 - 2009
  • The Hague – Venlo
    until dec 2003
    back between 2007 - 2014 / 2015 with 1700+cab car
  • The Hague – Eindhoven
    since 2015 with BR186
    since dec 2016 via HSL not further than Breda,
    after 23 January 2017 continue to eindhoven
  • Amsterdam - Roosendaal - Brussel
    until dec 2017,
    until 2012 with HLE 11
    since 2008 with HLE 28
  • Amsterdam - Rotterdam
    via HSL
  • Amsterdam - Breda
    via HSL
  • Amsterdam - Breda - Brussel
    since dec 2017 via HSL
In the "90
  • Amsterdam - Roosendaal - Brussel
  • Zwolle - Roosendaal
  • The Hague – Venlo / Cologne
    together with German wagons
  • Zandvoort – Maastricht
    some trains to Valkenburg only on saturday & summer months
  • Zandvoort – Heerlen
    some trains to Valkenburg only on saturday & summer months
In the "80
  • Zandvoort – Maastricht
    some trains to Luxembourg only in the summer with HLD 55
  • Amsterdam – Arnhem – Nijmegen / Keulen
  • Zwolle – Roosendaal
    Vlissingen Until 1988
  • Amsterdam - Roosendaal - Brussel
    since 1987
If you want to know more about the ICR in the "90.
I can recommend this Youtube channel (language is in Dutch) and his website (language is in Dutch, English & German),
also for other material in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and more.
« Last Edit: Monday 10 September, 2018, 03:49:20 by Rubku_NL »

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Stoomlocomotief
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Re: ICR/ICRm/ICRmh Question
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 19 September, 2018, 16:17:09 »
Thanks for the info!